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Original Sender: ftneb@vms.aurora.alaska.edu
Mailing List: NATCHAT (natchat@gnosys.svle.ma.us)
New Agers and native wisdom
A dialog on the NATCHAT list, February 1995
From: Nora Bunce, Eastern Cherokee
Date: 21 February 1995
I would like to offer my views on this issue of Native American beliefs and New Age
beliefs. I am a Cherokee woman, my Mother was Nora Emory, the daughter of Sarah
Willis, who's mother was a member of the Wolf clan of the Eastern Cherokee. What
my grandmother taught me about the beliefs of the people are as opposite from
the New age beliefs as any one can get. Because the differences between the two
systems, there is no way that there can be any merging of the two without one
group giving up their basic fundamental beliefs and adopting the others beliefs. I
am not willing to give up what my Grandmother taught me. NO! THE NEW AGERS DO
NOT DO A GOOD JOB OF REPRESENTING THE BELIEFS OF MY PEOPLE. They steal
the cerimonies and parts of the beliefs that they choose without permission,
without knowlege. They bastardize them and re-package them for sell to the public
either for money or credibility. And I am so very sick and tired of it. What the new
agers do to our beliefs is another form of genocide that my people have had to
endure.
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 13:16:59 -0900
From: FTNEB@VMS.AURORA.ALASKA.EDU
To: johnsorl@colorado.edu
Hello Robert,
Yes, you have my permission to repost my commentary. There are some very basic
philosophical differences between the New Age belief system and the beliefs of
my Grandmothers.
The main one being the belief held by my Grandmothers that we have a Creator,
that exists outside of ourselves. We are a small but significant part of the creation
and we are accountable to Creator for how we behave toward others, Our Mother
Earth and all of her children. As a young person (42) I have to give an account to
my Grandmother, the people, and Creator for the way in which I treat my children. I
am not my own god. New agers do not want to be held accountable to the Native
community for their behavior.
The meanings of our ceremonies are lost on the new agers, they can not see
beyond the rituals. When the white race killed their creator and decided that they
would teach their children that they evolved from something without intellect,
without feeling, without meaning, it left an emptiness in the children. Today those
children as adults look around for all sorts of things to fill that void. Our
ceremonies are but one thing that these people have grabbed in order to fill that
emptiness. But because their basic beliefs will not allow them to be accountable to
a Creator, they do not look for the meaning behind the ceremonies, and they only
pick and choose portions which serves their own agendas.
There is no one Indian religion, as the new agers would have you believe, our
religions are community based, and the practices reflect the individual
characteristics of the community and the individuals. True medicine people do not
sell their knowledge for profit, it is to be shared freely with the people. As a native
woman I look to my grandmothers for the wisdon I need, I do not go looking to take
someones else's religion. As a native woman, I accept the pain that comes as a
result of genocide and I will spend the rest of my life fighting the devestating
effects of genocide on our children. New agers do not want to accept this part of
what it is to be native. They do not want anything to upset their romanticized idea
of what it is to be native.
Granted, not all Native Americans adhere to the teachings of our Grandfathers and
Grandmothers. They have given up the old principles for those of the Europeans. I
believe that this is why our people self-destruct through alcohol, suicide, drugs,
and other ways. But I am grateful that we are beginning to look to these issues.
Our Elders are waking up and the heart is coming back into our people. We are
gaining control of our own lives again, and at the heart of this new life is Creator,
our children, and our Elders.
Native people do not have the same religious freedom that White people have.
New agers have the power to make themselves heard by the people of their
culture. They give a wrong representation of our beliefs, they trivialize our
practices destroying their power. As a teacher I see the beliefs of my people
minimized and misrepresented in the classroom, and our children that are forced
to attend the schools are made to feel shame for the beliefs of their grandparents
and shame for who they are. The goal of the dominate culture has been and still is
destruction of the native by assimilation. This policy has not changed since the
beginning of the invasion, it has gone underground into the educational
curriculum and legal legislation that abrogate treaty rites (the main issue of treaty
rites is the natives' right to live on the land).
At the heart of our survival has been our spiritual beliefs. The new agers carry out
their own form of genocide against our people by stealing our spiritual beliefs,
minimizing them, bastardizing them and destroying the power that is in them.
These are some of my own thoughts.
Thank you for asking a native.
There are others who can speak to this issue much clearer than I, and with much
more knowledge. I encourage you to seek those people out if you want a true
representation of how native people view the new agers.
Creator bless you.
Nora Bunce
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 16:37:37 -0700
From: Robert Johnson <johnsorl@COLORADO.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list ANTHRO-L <ANTHRO-L@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
There has been a question arise concerning new age beliefs and their relation to
Native American spirituality. Many in anthropology and archaeology deny or
rationalize the continuing injustice of the cultural appropriation of Native American
heritage. Many justify their appropriation by appeals to science's perquisites, or by
denying the legitimacy of impact on contemporary Native Americans who hold to
their traditional beliefs.
Much of anthropological ethnography traditionally has been akin to New Age
appropriation in that both can only operate without consideration of the spiritual
impact of appropriation on Native American cultures and peoples.
These commentaries by Nora Bunce present a challenge to the rationalizations for
the continuing appropriation of Native American cultural heritage by American
anthropology and archaeology.
Native America is not a vanishing people and culture, nor is its cultural heritage
that of the dead.
Mailing List: NATCHAT (natchat@gnosys.svle.ma.us)
New Agers and native wisdom
A dialog on the NATCHAT list, February 1995
From: Nora Bunce, Eastern Cherokee
Date: 21 February 1995
I would like to offer my views on this issue of Native American beliefs and New Age
beliefs. I am a Cherokee woman, my Mother was Nora Emory, the daughter of Sarah
Willis, who's mother was a member of the Wolf clan of the Eastern Cherokee. What
my grandmother taught me about the beliefs of the people are as opposite from
the New age beliefs as any one can get. Because the differences between the two
systems, there is no way that there can be any merging of the two without one
group giving up their basic fundamental beliefs and adopting the others beliefs. I
am not willing to give up what my Grandmother taught me. NO! THE NEW AGERS DO
NOT DO A GOOD JOB OF REPRESENTING THE BELIEFS OF MY PEOPLE. They steal
the cerimonies and parts of the beliefs that they choose without permission,
without knowlege. They bastardize them and re-package them for sell to the public
either for money or credibility. And I am so very sick and tired of it. What the new
agers do to our beliefs is another form of genocide that my people have had to
endure.
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 13:16:59 -0900
From: FTNEB@VMS.AURORA.ALASKA.EDU
To: johnsorl@colorado.edu
Hello Robert,
Yes, you have my permission to repost my commentary. There are some very basic
philosophical differences between the New Age belief system and the beliefs of
my Grandmothers.
The main one being the belief held by my Grandmothers that we have a Creator,
that exists outside of ourselves. We are a small but significant part of the creation
and we are accountable to Creator for how we behave toward others, Our Mother
Earth and all of her children. As a young person (42) I have to give an account to
my Grandmother, the people, and Creator for the way in which I treat my children. I
am not my own god. New agers do not want to be held accountable to the Native
community for their behavior.
The meanings of our ceremonies are lost on the new agers, they can not see
beyond the rituals. When the white race killed their creator and decided that they
would teach their children that they evolved from something without intellect,
without feeling, without meaning, it left an emptiness in the children. Today those
children as adults look around for all sorts of things to fill that void. Our
ceremonies are but one thing that these people have grabbed in order to fill that
emptiness. But because their basic beliefs will not allow them to be accountable to
a Creator, they do not look for the meaning behind the ceremonies, and they only
pick and choose portions which serves their own agendas.
There is no one Indian religion, as the new agers would have you believe, our
religions are community based, and the practices reflect the individual
characteristics of the community and the individuals. True medicine people do not
sell their knowledge for profit, it is to be shared freely with the people. As a native
woman I look to my grandmothers for the wisdon I need, I do not go looking to take
someones else's religion. As a native woman, I accept the pain that comes as a
result of genocide and I will spend the rest of my life fighting the devestating
effects of genocide on our children. New agers do not want to accept this part of
what it is to be native. They do not want anything to upset their romanticized idea
of what it is to be native.
Granted, not all Native Americans adhere to the teachings of our Grandfathers and
Grandmothers. They have given up the old principles for those of the Europeans. I
believe that this is why our people self-destruct through alcohol, suicide, drugs,
and other ways. But I am grateful that we are beginning to look to these issues.
Our Elders are waking up and the heart is coming back into our people. We are
gaining control of our own lives again, and at the heart of this new life is Creator,
our children, and our Elders.
Native people do not have the same religious freedom that White people have.
New agers have the power to make themselves heard by the people of their
culture. They give a wrong representation of our beliefs, they trivialize our
practices destroying their power. As a teacher I see the beliefs of my people
minimized and misrepresented in the classroom, and our children that are forced
to attend the schools are made to feel shame for the beliefs of their grandparents
and shame for who they are. The goal of the dominate culture has been and still is
destruction of the native by assimilation. This policy has not changed since the
beginning of the invasion, it has gone underground into the educational
curriculum and legal legislation that abrogate treaty rites (the main issue of treaty
rites is the natives' right to live on the land).
At the heart of our survival has been our spiritual beliefs. The new agers carry out
their own form of genocide against our people by stealing our spiritual beliefs,
minimizing them, bastardizing them and destroying the power that is in them.
These are some of my own thoughts.
Thank you for asking a native.
There are others who can speak to this issue much clearer than I, and with much
more knowledge. I encourage you to seek those people out if you want a true
representation of how native people view the new agers.
Creator bless you.
Nora Bunce
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 16:37:37 -0700
From: Robert Johnson <johnsorl@COLORADO.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list ANTHRO-L <ANTHRO-L@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
There has been a question arise concerning new age beliefs and their relation to
Native American spirituality. Many in anthropology and archaeology deny or
rationalize the continuing injustice of the cultural appropriation of Native American
heritage. Many justify their appropriation by appeals to science's perquisites, or by
denying the legitimacy of impact on contemporary Native Americans who hold to
their traditional beliefs.
Much of anthropological ethnography traditionally has been akin to New Age
appropriation in that both can only operate without consideration of the spiritual
impact of appropriation on Native American cultures and peoples.
These commentaries by Nora Bunce present a challenge to the rationalizations for
the continuing appropriation of Native American cultural heritage by American
anthropology and archaeology.
Native America is not a vanishing people and culture, nor is its cultural heritage
that of the dead.
